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GROVIEW Projector, 4k Projector with WiFi and Bluetooth ...

GROVIEW Projector, 4k Projector with WiFi and Bluetooth ...

I purchased this model, JQ818C, for $140 and then immediately afterward noticed there was a "newer version", RD881, on sale--normally $160, but at $70 off, it was $90. So I ordered that too, to see which I liked better. This review compares the two models, with a specific focus on my desired use as a cheap home theater with an Amazon Fire stick streaming device.

JQ818C is brighter, but bigger and with louder fan noise. Its ports are on the back, and controls are on top near the back. Keystone correction is rudimentary -- seems like it just basically tilts the lens up/down a bit. If you're seeing a trapezoid where the top and bottom are parallel, you will be able to adjust that a little to make it more square. But if the sides are parallel instead, no adjustment is available, which means you need the projector to be aligned horizontally with the center of your screen.

RD881 is noticeably dimmer, but also smaller and with a quieter fan. Its ports are on the right side, and controls are on top near the back. It has more advanced keystone correction, which means you don't have to have the projector aligned with the screen either vertically or horizontally. Unlike JQ818C, RD881 comes with an attractive grey padded carrying case.

Both projectors have a nice crisp image for the price, and both allow some degree of zooming in to get the projection to fit your screen. Both have a small adjustable "foot" on the bottom in front to tilt the projection upward a few degrees if needed. Both can be mounted on table or ceiling. Both use the exact same remote -- in fact, one remote turned on both machines when I didn't intend it to. They have significantly different UIs for settings, setup, etc. I liked the UI on RD881 better.

Compatibility with fire stick:

Both work fine with fire stick. If you have two Amazon Echo speakers, fire stick can be set to automatically pair with them, which results in easy, decent-quality stereo sound. Fire stick needs to be inserted into not only the HDMI port, but also into a USB port to supply it with power. Some USB ports on TVs/projectors don't provide enough power for the stick to work, in which case you need to plug the USB end into AC power (wall outlet). This is true for JQ818C but NOT for RD881. I.E. Fire stick can use RD881's USB for its power, but with JQ818C, it has to plug in to the wall. Supposedly Amazon makes a special USB cord to address this situation. I have one pending delivery so will update this review with info on whether that resolves the issue.

Since RD881's ports are on the side, it stays with a nice short depth, so it sticks out less if you mount it on the wall. With the firestick plugged in to the side port, total *width* including the stick becomes about 12".

Since JQ818C's ports are in back, the depth gets longer with the firestick in, for a total *depth* of about 12" including the stick.

I am leaning heavily toward JQ818C because of the better brightness in a not-all-the-way-dark room. I plan to mount it from the ceiling but haven't done so yet. If the picture is still good from that angle, JQ818C will be the winner for my needs.

UPDATES: the special fire stick USB cable did successfully get enough power out of the USB on the JQ818C. Here's a link to that cable: https://a.co/d/3ecY3sk

Unfortunately, when I mounted the JQ818C up as high as I needed it, the downward angle meant the image couldn't be fully focused (either the top half of the image was in focus or the bottom half, but never both). This was a deal breaker so I settled for the dimmer, but otherwise great (and correctly focused) RD882.

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Projector Lenses Demystified

How much should the average installer know about projection optics, beyond specifying a certain focal length for a specific projection throw and image size? The answer is simple, the more you understand how the projector’s lens affects the quality of the projected image, the better you will be at choosing the right projector.

In most cases the lens that comes with a given projector is the only one it can use, so you might think: “so what? The lens it has is the lens it has.” Even though you can’t change the optics in these projectors, you should still understand how the performance of this lens can be improved by understanding its capabilities. The projector's lenses and the quality, and features of those lenses can significantly impact the quality of the projected image.

Throw Ratio and Zoom Range

When choosing a lens, its throw ratio is an important factor. Throw ratio is the ratio of the distance from the lens to the screen (throw) to the screen width. Lower throw ratio results in a shorter throw distance. A variable zoom lenses' throw ratio can be adjusted for example 1.4:1 (wide angle) to 2.73:1 (telephoto) which means it has a zoom range of about 2.1.

The lens on many 3LCD and LCoS home theater projectors have a zoom range of 2:1. Depending on the throw ratio of the lens, for a 100″ diagonal 16:9 screen, that means the projector could be mounted between 10.5 feet to 21 feet away.

How Zoom Range Affects Brightness

When shopping for home theater projectors, of course brightness, defined here as Lumens, are one of the most obvious specs you see. The interesting thing is that depending on how/where you set up your projector, brightness can vary by over 30 percent.

As I mentioned earlier, where a projector is placed along with the throw range and quality of the lens can have a noticeable impact on light output. When a lens is in wide-angle mode (the largest image it is able to produce from a specific distance) it will produce more lumens and when it is in telephoto mode it produces less.

A lens with a 2:1 can provide tons of placement flexibility but remember if you mount it 10.5 feet from the screen, the projector will output more light (Lumens) then if it is mounted 21 feet back.

There is no straight simple formula, because a lens' design has an impact on the actual amount of brightness change, but with a 2:1 lens, it could be as much as 30%.

If, on the other hand, the projector has a far more limited lens, say with a zoom ratio of 1.2:1, then, the change in brightness from one “extreme” to the other, becomes minimal, and not a serious consideration.

Most of the DLP projectors have limited zoom lens (1.1:1 to 1.3:1), so there isn’t much to concern ourselves with there. But, with the 3LCD, and LCoS projectors, where all of them seem to have at least 1.5:1, and most are around 2:1, where you place the projector can matter a lot.

Ultra Short Throw Lens

An ultra short-throw projector has a lot of benefits, but for the sake of this article we're just going to focus on the benefit of the ultra-short throw lenses.

With ultra-short throw projectors, there is no worry about someone interrupting projected content by walking in front of and breaking the protectors light path, casting shadows on the screen  You can also use ultra-short throw lenses to create a cleaner and more seamless visual area, with no obstruction to seating, maximizing the space.

No more projectors over your head to maintain line-of-sight when space is tight giving you a range of options for installation. Whether you’re outfitting a confined space, a typical ultra-short throw projector lenses can display an image up to 120” from less than two feet away. A UST lens is combined with an ambient light rejecting screen is an excellent solution for an environment with a large amount of ambient light.

Ultra-short throw lenses are available for many interchangeable lens projectors but they are usually more expensive than a standard lens. This is due to their complex optics required to project a non-distorted image at an extreme angle. This is also why a UST projector or "Laser TV" usually costs more than a standard projector with the same performance. Ultra short throw lenses have usually offered little/no zoom range and they have a throw ratio of 0.37:1 or less.

Short Throw Lenses

Short throw lenses can project larger images from a shorter distance than a standard lens, for example about 120 inches from less than 8 feet away. If a large image is desired in a shallow room or the projector needs to be placed in front of the viewers, this type of lens is a great option. A lens with a throw ratio between 0.38:1 to 1.4:1 is considered short throw.

Standard Throw Lenses

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Projectors equipped with standard throw lenses are often less expensive than their short-throw counterparts. They are the most common solution and are utilized in classrooms, conference rooms, as well as home theaters. Unlike the short-throws, if someone or something breaks the projected light, it will block the image, obviously this is dependent on where the projector is mounted, but something to take into account.

Consider the reason you get a 2:1 zoom on most of these projectors is to allow the flexibility not just to ceiling mount the projector, but to give you the option of mounting the projector on the rear wall of your room. The projectors with wide range zoom lenses means that probably 90% of people can rear shelf mount the unit.

Rear shelf mounting can save money, in terms of length of cables as well as installation costs – as it’s harder to get power to most ceilings, and if you have fairly high ceilings, working up there means ladders or scaffolding. For most, shelf mounting is just plain simpler and less expensive. A lens with a throw ratio between 1.4:1 to 4:1 is considered standard throw.

Long Throw Lens

Sometimes the projector or projectors will need to be mounted very far way from the screen. This is often done in large lecture halls, ballrooms, concert venues, and houses of worship. A lens with a throw ratio above 4:1 is considered a long throw.

The Benefits of Lens Shift

Achieving optimal image positioning, size, and shape can be a critical part to setting up the best possible solution for your installation. Having a large amount of zoom and lens shift capability makes installation a breeze, especially when you are trying to replace an older unit that was previously fix mounted.

Lens shift is a feature that assists in properly aligning the projector’s lens with the screen. It is far easier to correctly mount or position a projector for optimal image quality with lens shift than without. Projectors with vertical and horizontal lens shift have the ability to move the projected image up and down and left to right, in order to more easily accommodate placement/installation at a wider variety of installation locations.

Lens shift enables users to shift the projected image along the horizontal and vertical axis without changing the angle relationship between the projector and the screen – eliminating the need to physically move the entire projector and allowing successful installation in spaces with limited placement options, such as low 8-foot ceilings, whether ceiling mounted or placed on a rear shelf. You can preserve head room in spaces that would otherwise require an extender pole for accurate positioning and achieve correct image positioning without the need for digital keystoning.

Conversely, projectors without lens shift must be positioned with 100% accuracy to project an image with the proper shape and distribution across the screen. This is usually quite difficult so many installers may resort to digital keystoning which decreases onscreen resolution add unwanted artifacts.

Anamorphic Lenses

Most movies that have been made in the past several decades have been filmed using anamorphic lenses so it makes sense to use the same type of lens to project it and get the best performance from the projector when watching movies. 

Anamorphic lenses dramatically improve the brightness and visual performance of home theater movie experiences by projecting all the pixels from your image onto your screen, not above and below your screen as letterboxing does, read below...

Letterboxing refers to the practice of projecting a film that was shot using a widescreen aspect ratio (using an anamorphic lens) to a standard-width format which ends up with black bars above and below the image. setting the projector’s lens to zoom up a letterbox movie, which is a movie with black bars on each side to fill a cinema-format screen. 

Letterbox zooming uses the projector’s lens setting to zoom the letterboxed movie making it fill a full cinema-formatted screen. This is an easy way to keep those black bars off of the screen by actually projecting them on the wall above and below the screen. After all, a 4K projector should be using the entire 4K for a full screen movie experience, not the 3K performance that happens when you use letterbox zooming.  

Now, even though there are several benefits to using anamorphic lenses, there are a few things to consider. For example, some anamorphic lenses can shed between 5-8% light, depending on the design and quality making for a slightly less bright picture. 

Also, depending on the quality of the lens, the image can be slightly softened which is caused by the additional optics in the light path which can also slightly decrease the black levels and dynamic range due to the light scatter of the lens. 

Typically both of these scenarios can be avoided if using a higher quality lens, but that will of course, cost a bit more as well.

Summary

I began this article by asking the question, how much knowledge about projection Optics is enough knowledge? The more you understand about how a projectors lens ultimately impacts the resulting on-screen image quality the better chance you have of improving the quality of that very same image. Understanding the difference between ultra short throw, short throw and long throw will help you strike the appropriate balance when deciding where to place your projectors. Taking advantage of any lens shift capabilities of your projectors lens will limit, or completely eliminate, the need for the use of keystone. And finally how anamorphic lenses can both positively and, depending on quality, negatively impact viewable resolution and picture quality.

I hope this information helps you make the best possible decisions when choosing the components for your projection solution.

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